Story First: Why Information Alone Can't Drive Change with Mary Czarnecki 

Eps. #192 Tuesday, July 21, 2026

Most change initiatives fail not because the strategy was wrong but because the communication didn't move anyone. HR leaders deliver their message, check the box, and wonder why nothing shifted. The problem almost never lives in the data. It lives in the absence of story.

In this episode…

  • Why more information alone can't produce behavior change, and what story does that information can't

  • How to identify where people are getting stuck before looking for a story, so the narrative actually closes the right gap

  • The three ingredients in any story that actually lands: a specific moment, sensory details, and a clear arc from before to after

Hit “Play” to gain valuable insights that can transform your HR practices!

Guest(s): Mary Czarnecki , Brand Messaging Consultant, Mary Czarnecki LLC

 

Mary Czarnecki

Brand Messaging Consultant

Mary Czarnecki LLC

Guest(s): Mary Czarnecki , Brand Messaging Consultant, Mary Czarnecki LLC

Too many great ideas get ignored because they’re not communicated clearly. Mary Czarnecki helps leaders and teams turn ideas into influence through strategic storytelling.

For over 25 years, she’s worked with Fortune 500 companies, entrepreneurial founders, and mission-driven organizations to sharpen messaging, improve collaboration, and build brands that resonate. As a top-rated instructor for the Association of National Advertisers, she has trained thousands of professionals worldwide to communicate with clarity and impact.

Known for blending neuroscience with real-world storytelling, Mary’s sessions give audiences practical tools they can apply immediately to influence decisions, align teams, and drive results.

Dr. Shari Simpson

Shari Simpson, EdD, SHRM-SCP, leads thought leadership at a technology company and is the founder of HR Swagger, LLC and DTG Leadership. With more than 20 years of experience in human resources, she focuses on leadership, culture, and learning experiences that help people do their best work. Shari is also the host of the HR Mixtape podcast and a frequent speaker on modern HR, leadership, and workplace transformation. Her work blends practical HR strategy with a people-first approach that helps organizations build connection, clarity, and momentum.

Beyond her professional achievements, Shari is a proud mother of three sons—one a veteran and two currently serving in the US Navy—a dedicated dog mom and an avid reader. Her 25+-year marriage to a fire department Chief adds depth to her understanding of service and dedication.

https://askhrswagger.com
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